show me your guns!

[Inshallah]

NO WE AREN'T, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRANSVESTITE GEORGE WASHINGTON AND ATRAX'S GENGHIS KHAN SHAPED PHALLUS! THIS TOPIC IS 6 PAGES IT IS OVERDUE FOR IT'S NIGHTLY DERAILMENT!

Sorry, I forgot myself - It was the PCP talking. 

[Hoghead]

I would use the bird shot over the buckshot. The bird shot will be less likely to go through the walls and hit someone in the other room. I think i read an article about a special type or shot that was deadly up to 10-15 yards but wouldnt penetrate walls but I dont remember what it was called.

[Hanif]

I live in Canada and my concept of home defense is locking my door and having my feisty terrier bark a lot if someone approaches my house.

What the hell goes on down south that you guys need shotguns to feel safe?  Is it like Afghanistan or some other third world country?

I have a tyre iron near my door.  Never had an issue yet.

[Woodwylde]

I live in Canada and my concept of home defense is locking my door and having my feisty terrier bark a lot if someone approaches my house.

What the hell goes on down south that you guys need shotguns to feel safe?  Is it like Afghanistan or some other third world country?

I have a tyre iron near my door.  Never had an issue yet.

Well hell... if you get a flat that close to home, of course its not an issue.

[Hanif]

I found out about a flat when I was in my drive way a couple months back, and I still couldn't get the damned thing off. 

Wound up requiring kicking the iron with steel caps on to undo the nut.

[Wylair]

I live in Canada and my concept of home defense is locking my door and having my feisty terrier bark a lot if someone approaches my house.

What the hell goes on down south that you guys need shotguns to feel safe?  Is it like Afghanistan or some other third world country?

I have a tyre iron near my door.  Never had an issue yet.

Well hell... if you get a flat that close to home, of course its not an issue.

Who the fuck is such a pussy that they have to use a jack and tyre iron to change a tyre? Real mean lift the car and unscrew the bolts manually!

Oh and don't say fabulous gay men either this is how they do it:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE3_04Y8Dmw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE3_04Y8Dmw</a>

[Woodwylde]

I found out about a flat when I was in my drive way a couple months back, and I still couldn't get the damned thing off. 

Wound up requiring kicking the iron with steel caps on to undo the nut.

Did you break the lugs before you jacked up the car?

[Hanif]

Nope, it was just really tight.
Everything was done properly, just impossible to unscrew.

[Zajiwa]

just impossible to unscrew.

like your mother

[Cāmara]

lolol

hi zaji <3

[Hanif]

just impossible to unscrew.

like your mother

Well, obviously.  Like anyones mother (unless they've only had test tube babies).

[Rajj]

Rajj - take both sets of firings: in an adrenaline situation, with poor visibility and the possibility of a partially obscured target, would you still say that the average person with average proficiency and average training has a better chance of stopping an assailant with the Judge, vs a short barreled shotgun or a 9mm (again, for the latter, with average proficiency).

Absolutely. My opinion is more based off of the fact that you've got 5 shots in a double-action gun. It's easier to throw lead down range when you don't have to pump. And there isn't an instance I can think of where it'd be quicker to pull out a shotgun then a pistol. I would recommend the S&W Governor over the Judge, as it has a 6 shot capacity but it's also almost twice the price. Also with a universal gun like the Judge, you could load your weapon as you see fit. For instance, one .45 long colt , three 00 buck, and a birdshot round to finish the job. Since your first shot will be your most accurate, and at point blank a birdshot round would probably do the most damage above all, it makes sense to load the gun that way. Spread and damage is usually the reason someone would chose a shotgun over a solid bullet, which makes a shotgun pistol ideal. More spread = less skill required to hit the target. Thus why I feel like birdshot is adequate for self defense.

no, im implying that a .357 will take her fucking arm off, are you implying that you hate america?

.357 kick isn't really that bad.  But this is coming from a guy that one hands a .44 magnum, so I guess I can't speak for everyone.

[Therm]

Are you seriously implying that a .357 has more kick then a 12 gauge?

no, im implying that a .357 will take her fucking arm off, are you implying that you hate america?

Yeah. Whatever gun you settle on, do not get magnum rounds.

You're basically doubling the kick for double the velocity, and it's unlikely you're going to need that added speed for home defense. Again, it's about killing little Timmy across the street.

And Rajj, you own a .44. Do you really think the average woman can withstand the kickback of a higher caliber weapon with no practice?

[Zajiwa]

.357 kick isn't really that bad.  But this is coming from a guy that one hands a .44 magnum, so I guess I can't speak for everyone.

and now we're done with this conversation

anyway, minthe, if you must have a gun, classes are not just good for teaching you how to use it, but also when you can use it.

there's only certain circumstances that using a gun on some one is legal, and simply breaking and entering is not one of them.

[Rajj]

Are you seriously implying that a .357 has more kick then a 12 gauge?

no, im implying that a .357 will take her fucking arm off, are you implying that you hate america?

Yeah. Whatever gun you settle on, do not get magnum rounds.

You're basically doubling the kick for double the velocity, and it's unlikely you're going to need that added speed for home defense. Again, it's about killing little Timmy across the street.

And Rajj, you own a .44. Do you really think the average woman can withstand the kickback of a higher caliber weapon with no practice?

Better question is why is a woman buying a weapon if she's never had practice with a weapon before. But are YOU implying a woman isn't capable of handling the same guns a man can? Oh yeah, pulling the sexism card.

But really, the kick on a .357 is less then that of a 12 gauge. And if kick's that big of an issue, just fire .38 specials through it. No I wouldn't recommend a .357 or anything of the type for someone with no experience. The Judge is the best suggestion I can make all around.

[Rajj]

.357 kick isn't really that bad.  But this is coming from a guy that one hands a .44 magnum, so I guess I can't speak for everyone.

and now we're done with this conversation

anyway, minthe, if you must have a gun, classes are not just good for teaching you how to use it, but also when you can use it.

there's only certain circumstances that using a gun on some one is legal, and simply breaking and entering is not one of them.

It depends on your state's interpretation of the Castle Doctrine. In NC, if someone enters, or attempts to enter your home unlawfully and forcefully, it is presumed that their intent is to commit an unlawful act with force or violence. In other words, if someone's breaking into my house, I have the right to shoot them because they're a possible threat to myself and my family. However, if I point the gun at them and they leave, it's unlawful for me to shoot them.

[Therm]

Better question is why is a woman buying a weapon if she's never had practice with a weapon before. But are YOU implying a woman isn't capable of handling the same guns a man can? Oh yeah, pulling the sexism card.

No, I'm implying you're a dipshit.

And yes, I'm going to make assumptions about a person based on their gender like any rational person, because like it or not, our society is sexist.

So I can assume she hasn't fired a gun before, or if she has, has little experience doing so. Grandfathers take their grandsons out to shoot, not their granddaughters.

I can also assume she would probably be bad with kickback in a relatively stress-free situation. You may be used to shooting things, but think about being terrified and then needing to lift a heavy chunk of metal that makes things dead and then make some other person dead with it. When you pull that trigger with it pointed at another human, you're making the decision to end a life. You've decided "I am more important than you".

And also, you are the same idiot that thinks .22 rimfire is hunky dory because of fucking archery. That's the most bullshit excuse ever. You don't know what you're talking about, and tried to say I was a sexist rather than admit you don't have a clue what you're talking about, like usual.

[Icypoke]

This thread is turning into shit. Too many retards claiming to know everything about firearms.
Seriously, I bet half of you guys that are arguing in here don't even know how to hold a gun
correctly.

Minthe, my honest suggestion is go to a range and try out some
different weapons. Find one easy to carry, and one that fits you right. You should know how
it's going to behave if you wind up needing to use it. Also, the point Zajiwa brought up is super
important. You need to learn the escalation of force. See if you have a local gun range that will
give table 2 classes.

Also, I noted earlier that you are leaning toward a shotgun. In my personal opinion, I would lean
away from Mossbergs, in favor for a Remington 870. My friends who have had Mossberg 500's
all got tired of them not feeding correctly and swapped em out for 870's. My dad got his 870 back
in the 70's and it still works like a dream.

Just for shits and giggles...
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM-DGaNmtA0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM-DGaNmtA0</a>

[Fildon]

anyway, minthe, if you must have a gun, classes are not just good for teaching you how to use it, but also when you can use it.

there's only certain circumstances that using a gun on some one is legal, and simply breaking and entering is not one of them.

It depends on your state's interpretation of the Castle Doctrine. In NC, if someone enters, or attempts to enter your home unlawfully and forcefully, it is presumed that their intent is to commit an unlawful act with force or violence. In other words, if someone's breaking into my house, I have the right to shoot them because they're a possible threat to myself and my family. However, if I point the gun at them and they leave, it's unlawful for me to shoot them.

The law varies wildly depending on the state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

In Canada, have to rely on English Common Law and prove that any intruder had malicious intent, and thus discharging a firearm was an act of self defense. Given that authorities up here frown mighty fucking heavily on people acting like "vigilantes," having guns and taking the law into their own hands, good luck on that.

[Atrax]

.357 kick isn't really that bad.  But this is coming from a guy that one hands a .44 magnum, so I guess I can't speak for everyone.

and now we're done with this conversation

anyway, minthe, if you must have a gun, classes are not just good for teaching you how to use it, but also when you can use it.

there's only certain circumstances that using a gun on some one is legal, and simply breaking and entering is not one of them.

It depends on your state's interpretation of the Castle Doctrine. In NC, if someone enters, or attempts to enter your home unlawfully and forcefully, it is presumed that their intent is to commit an unlawful act with force or violence.

He's right about that, when my dad was in the military and we lived on Fort Bragg, a buddy of his had some one breaking into his house and stealing his shit while he was away on missions.  So one time he simply spread a rumor that he was going to be out of the country, moved his car, went back to his house, and waited with the lights off.  Some one came into his house and he blew them away.  Turned out to be some 16-year-old kid who was stealing his shit; dude didn't get so much as a slap on the wrist though for wasting him.

[Rhooja]

There is no reason a woman would ever need to use a gun. What recipe calls for a gun?

I rest my case.

[Atrax]

There is no reason a woman would ever need to use a gun. What recipe calls for a gun?

I rest my case.

What about Mexican Guncake?

[Woodwylde]

There is no reason a woman would ever need to use a gun. What recipe calls for a gun?

A baby.

[Fildon]

Also, I noted earlier that you are leaning toward a shotgun. In my personal opinion, I would lean
away from Mossbergs, in favor for a Remington 870. My friends who have had Mossberg 500's
all got tired of them not feeding correctly and swapped em out for 870's. My dad got his 870 back
in the 70's and it still works like a dream.

There is actually a thread devoted just for that comparison:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?84085-The-Official-Remington-870-Versus-Mossberg-500-Thread

Also video:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EkjLkDYFRY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EkjLkDYFRY</a>

[Atrax]

There is no reason a woman would ever need to use a gun. What recipe calls for a gun?

A baby.

You are better than me.