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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2012, 10:14:43 AM »
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Personally, I think a gun in the hands of a fearful untrained person is more dangerous than an imagined threat.

I recommend if you are going to consider any type of weapon, you should first go down to your local gun club and take some lessons so that you learn to use, respect, and maintain a gun properly.

Depending where you live, you might be able to rent a selection of guns and fire them under the supervision of an expert.

If you are under threat, the second to last thing you want to do is to be firing a gun for the very first time under that kind of stress, when you could have practiced beforehand.

though i have shot guns at mountain ranges

Also, why are you shooting guns at mountain ranges?  You got something against the Rockies or Catskills or something?
Cats must die!

But on a thread continuing note, I agree with the above sage wisdom of the Wylde one.  Went to a gun show recently, and as a noob, I wanted training.  Gun shows are a total waste of time if you don't know anything, and even if you do, this one was a swap meet of trinkets. I need the training so I'm headed to a local range and I'm going to take classes before arming myself to the teeth.

As for taking a life in defense of the family,  I'd prefer to not use a gun and end the fun so quickly.  Geologists know how to dig a neck deep hole and use a rock hammer like a throwing hatchet... I'd have no problem going from zero to sociopath in the two seconds it would take for an intruder to come un without an invitation.  Anyone willing to break in with the intent of theft and harm has volunteered to be removed from society, and I will stand with him to defend his of choice of exit doors.
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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2012, 10:17:33 AM »
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Personally, I think a gun in the hands of a fearful untrained person is more dangerous than an imagined threat.

I recommend if you are going to consider any type of weapon, you should first go down to your local gun club and take some lessons so that you learn to use, respect, and maintain a gun properly.

Depending where you live, you might be able to rent a selection of guns and fire them under the supervision of an expert.

If you are under threat, the second to last thing you want to do is to be firing a gun for the very first time under that kind of stress, when you could have practiced beforehand.

though i have shot guns at mountain ranges

Also, why are you shooting guns at mountain ranges?  You got something against the Rockies or Catskills or something?
Cats must die!

But on a thread continuing note, I agree with the above sage wisdom of the Wylde one.  Went to a gun show recently, and as a noob, I wanted training.  Gun shows are a total waste of time if you don't know anything, and even if you do, this one was a swap meet of trinkets. I need the training so I'm headed to a local range and I'm going to take classes before arming myself to the teeth.

As for taking a life in defense of the family,  I'd prefer to not use a gun and end the fun so quickly.  Geologists know how to dig a neck deep hole and use a rock hammer like a throwing hatchet... I'd have no problem going from zero to sociopath in the two seconds it would take for an intruder to come un without an invitation.  Anyone willing to break in with the intent of theft and harm has volunteered to be removed from society, and I will stand with him to defend his of choice of exit doors.
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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2012, 10:26:31 AM »
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As for taking a life in defense of the family,  I'd prefer to not use a gun and end the fun so quickly.  Geologists know how to dig a neck deep hole and use a rock hammer like a throwing hatchet... I'd have no problem going from zero to sociopath in the two seconds it would take for an intruder to come un without an invitation.  Anyone willing to break in with the intent of theft and harm has volunteered to be removed from society, and I will stand with him to defend his of choice of exit doors.

If you are serious about home defense, I strongly urge you to go for a shotgun over a handgun, at least until you have a high degree of proficiency.

Get something along the line of a Mossberg 500 - http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=3.

And then get a proper gun safe to store it in - http://www.gunvault.com/.

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2012, 12:11:05 PM »
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As for taking a life in defense of the family,  I'd prefer to not use a gun and end the fun so quickly.  Geologists know how to dig a neck deep hole and use a rock hammer like a throwing hatchet... I'd have no problem going from zero to sociopath in the two seconds it would take for an intruder to come un without an invitation.  Anyone willing to break in with the intent of theft and harm has volunteered to be removed from society, and I will stand with him to defend his of choice of exit doors.

If you are serious about home defense, I strongly urge you to go for a shotgun over a handgun, at least until you have a high degree of proficiency.

Get something along the line of a Mossberg 500 - http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=3.

And then get a proper gun safe to store it in - http://www.gunvault.com/.

I'm here at a crossroads of curiosity, where I kind of want to know, but at the same time, I don't want to know, but I'm going to take the...plunge.  Is the reason you like shotguns so much is because it's the only gun you can load your novelty dildos into?

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2012, 12:39:47 PM »
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The reason people ideally take shotguns over other weapons is their spread and damage. The downside to having a shot gun is that they usually have ridiculously long barrels which will do you absolutely no good if an assailant is rushing you before you're able to pull the gun up in front of them. This is why I recommend a Taurus Judge, Smith & Wesson Governor, or a Super Comanche. All shot .410 shotgun shells, or .45 long colt. A .410 isn't going to match a 12 gauge in ballistics, but at 10 yards, they're going to wish they never broke in anyway.

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2012, 12:42:48 PM »
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Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
Never point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
Keep finger straight and off trigger until you are ready to shoot.
Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire.


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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2012, 12:45:02 PM »
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having a well rounded arensal in the event of a zombie apocalypse is a great idea imo.

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« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2012, 12:46:40 PM »
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The reason people ideally take shotguns over other weapons is their spread and damage.

...I am at a loss for words.

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2012, 12:53:22 PM »
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having a well rounded arensal in the event of a zombie apocalypse is a great idea imo.

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2012, 12:55:35 PM »
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The reason people ideally take shotguns over other weapons is their spread and damage. The downside to having a shot gun is that they usually have ridiculously long barrels which will do you absolutely no good if an assailant is rushing you before you're able to pull the gun up in front of them. This is why I recommend a Taurus Judge, Smith & Wesson Governor, or a Super Comanche. All shot .410 shotgun shells, or .45 long colt. A .410 isn't going to match a 12 gauge in ballistics, but at 10 yards, they're going to wish they never broke in anyway.

Again, the only reason I would highly recommend a shotgun is if you dont have proper training, you dont have proficiency with your weapon, and you dont have the time or inclination to maintain that proficiency. You can get a shorter, 18 inch barrel with the Remington 870 or something equivalent - http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-synthetic-18inch.aspx.

Rajj - why the Taurus Judge and not the Taurus PT809 or a Taurus PT92 or even a Taurus PT917? If you have the training, if you have skills, why not go for a 9mm?

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2012, 12:56:14 PM »
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Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
Never point a weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
Keep finger straight and off trigger until you are ready to shoot.
Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire.


Oorah!!!


I have to say that so often... :P

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2012, 12:58:16 PM »
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I agree w/ Rajj. I got a Judge and it is a total bad ass.

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2012, 12:58:49 PM »
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As for taking a life in defense of the family,  I'd prefer to not use a gun and end the fun so quickly.  Geologists know how to dig a neck deep hole and use a rock hammer like a throwing hatchet... I'd have no problem going from zero to sociopath in the two seconds it would take for an intruder to come un without an invitation.  Anyone willing to break in with the intent of theft and harm has volunteered to be removed from society, and I will stand with him to defend his of choice of exit doors.

If you are serious about home defense, I strongly urge you to go for a shotgun over a handgun, at least until you have a high degree of proficiency.

Get something along the line of a Mossberg 500 - http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=3.

And then get a proper gun safe to store it in - http://www.gunvault.com/.

I'm here at a crossroads of curiosity, where I kind of want to know, but at the same time, I don't want to know, but I'm going to take the...plunge.  Is the reason you like shotguns so much is because it's the only gun you can load your novelty dildos into?

Atrax, do you want to know how one can be 100% sure that the only sex you have ever had has been your hand, various objects from the fresh food aisle, the occasional still warm home cooked pie or servicing one of your brothers?

Its because you use the term "novelty dildo."    ::)


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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2012, 01:07:54 PM »
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As for taking a life in defense of the family,  I'd prefer to not use a gun and end the fun so quickly.  Geologists know how to dig a neck deep hole and use a rock hammer like a throwing hatchet... I'd have no problem going from zero to sociopath in the two seconds it would take for an intruder to come un without an invitation.  Anyone willing to break in with the intent of theft and harm has volunteered to be removed from society, and I will stand with him to defend his of choice of exit doors.

If you are serious about home defense, I strongly urge you to go for a shotgun over a handgun, at least until you have a high degree of proficiency.

Get something along the line of a Mossberg 500 - http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=3.

And then get a proper gun safe to store it in - http://www.gunvault.com/.

I'm here at a crossroads of curiosity, where I kind of want to know, but at the same time, I don't want to know, but I'm going to take the...plunge.  Is the reason you like shotguns so much is because it's the only gun you can load your novelty dildos into?

Atrax, do you want to know how one can be 100% sure that the only sex you have ever had has been your hand, various objects from the fresh food aisle, the occasional still warm home cooked pie or servicing one of your brothers?

Its because you use the term "novelty dildo."    ::)

Whatever man those cantaloupes came on to me.

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2012, 01:39:17 PM »
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"Quote me as saying I was misquoted."

I'm actually not sure who agrees with me or disagrees, but I'm pretty sure Will Smith is here for a reason.

Things Zigra believes:
1. You have a responsibility to protect your family, and whenever possible, that responsibility includes saving the tax payers the cost of a murder trial.
2. Gun training should precede gun ownership.
3. A Mossburg 500 pistol grip short barrel is a good thing to be holding when the poo hits the prop. I don't own one or any "novelty" ammo.
4. I am not above administering a long and viciously cruel session of torture if my family were threatened (Law Abiding Citizen is an excellent introductory course).


Zigra,
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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2012, 03:32:07 PM »
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I would submit one more argument for a 12 ga. shotgun.  Seems to me that, at the end of the day, a large part of the question should resolve around the damage a weapon does.  Damage from a .45 long colt is acceptable and the same can be said for a .410.  A shotgun, on the other hand, is capable of horrific damage to flesh. 

Ballistic gelatin (see below) is used as a substitute for flesh to show us what a round is likely to do when it hits a person.  There are failings in the system of course - gelatin doesn't mimic the effect of rounds on bones, but it's a handy model and ... it's fun to play with.  ^_^

Here's a picture of ballistic gelatin that was hit with a 2 3/4" load of 00 buckshot, 9 pellets. 



The path of the shot can be seen as darker lines moving horizontally through the gelatin, from right to left.  The lighter clouding around the lines demonstrates a transference of kinetic energy which often results in additional damage to the flesh. 

The ruler at the bottom of the gelatin shows the penetration of the pellets measured in inches.   

From the outside, this is a picture of a nameless mid-sized animal shot with a similar load from 15 yards away.
 
This is the entrance wound. 

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And here is the exit wound

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This does give rise to the question "How much is too much?"  I was never sure that I knew how much was "too much," but I do know that a shotgun qualifies as enough.   ;)


   


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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2012, 03:47:55 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2012, 03:51:26 PM »
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That'd be hot.... if they didn't have one foot in the grave already.
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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2012, 03:54:36 PM »
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That'd be hot.... if they didn't have one foot in the grave already.

what? Their guns are classic models.

also

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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2012, 04:05:27 PM »
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I would submit one more argument for a 12 ga. shotgun.  Seems to me that, at the end of the day, a large part of the question should resolve around the damage a weapon does. 
People aren't made to withstand bullet impact.

Anything bigger than a .22 and you're talking huge damage. You don't need a .50cal gun to kill someone dead.
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« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2012, 04:50:12 PM »
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That'd be hot.... if they didn't have one foot in the grave already.

what? Their guns are classic models.

also

Potentially NSFW

Much better.
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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2012, 04:55:09 PM »
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i thank you all for your input. i have been more on the fence for a  shotgun, though i do consider the downsides to what Rajj was speaking of. i live in a small apartment  and i do worry about scatter shot destroying my possessions and also the consideration of it going through the doors/walls to my neighbors. and also the point of "being rushed" and the long barrel making it now just a gun shaped bat. but aside from that i believe i'm going to start off with one for the fact i have shot them before and i'm more comfortable with them all together. however after i take some classes and i'm better with my aim i am going to get something smaller. rest assured i will get proper training for whatever i choose. i fear them because i respect the fact that they are a deadly weapon and i'm not jumping into guns like it's a shiny new toy. @Zigra~ i understand your points . and though i have never been the damsel in distress type, the reality is that if it came down to it i would most likely be physically outmatched. i'm not wishing for war but i do need a battle plan.


When you go for training, see if they have specialized courses that deal with urban crisis situations - combat within 5 yards, adrenaline situation, minimal light, low to medium obscurity.

Also, would recommend a good self defense course along the lines of - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga  - because if the assailant disarms you, if you dont know some form of martial arts it will not be pleasant for you.

Also, get a 150 pound mastiff...   8)

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« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2012, 04:58:21 PM »
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That'd be hot.... if they didn't have one foot in the grave already.

what? Their guns are classic models.

also

Potentially NSFW
Let me get my funnel.
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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2012, 05:15:38 PM »
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i thank you all for your input. i have been more on the fence for a  shotgun, though i do consider the downsides to what Rajj was speaking of. i live in a small apartment  and i do worry about scatter shot destroying my possessions and also the consideration of it going through the doors/walls to my neighbors. and also the point of "being rushed" and the long barrel making it now just a gun shaped bat. but aside from that i believe i'm going to start off with one for the fact i have shot them before and i'm more comfortable with them all together. however after i take some classes and i'm better with my aim i am going to get something smaller. rest assured i will get proper training for whatever i choose. i fear them because i respect the fact that they are a deadly weapon and i'm not jumping into guns like it's a shiny new toy. @Zigra~ i understand your points . and though i have never been the damsel in distress type, the reality is that if it came down to it i would most likely be physically outmatched. i'm not wishing for war but i do need a battle plan.

For the love of fuck this thread is a huge disappointment.
Seriously, where are all the dick picks?
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Re: show me your guns!
« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2012, 06:01:27 PM »
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those guys have some really small dicks.