Evil Draenei

[Quedanaelas]

I've always wondered this, as searching online only gives me a mixed result.

I'll ask Emerald Dream roleplayers as a realm.  What do you think?

[Xeer]

I've always wondered this, as searching online only gives me a mixed result.

I'll ask Emerald Dream roleplayers as a realm.  What do you think?

They made their choice by allying themselves with the hypocritical Alliance; what is there to think about?

[Florena Emberlin]

While the Draenei are perhaps the most 'good' of all the playable races, there is no reason to say that there aren't any bad ones.

[Rhooja]

I've always wondered this, as searching online only gives me a mixed result.

I'll ask Emerald Dream roleplayers as a realm.  What do you think?

I believe that thinking in black and white terms of good vs. evil is.. Well it's not a very good idea. Just the same as in life people are people, to them the means may justify the end. It's hard to explain but anyone who's read some G. R. R. Martin books will get it and perhaps be able to elaborate further since I am bad with wording.

If you're looking to role play a draenei as "evil" be sure to ask yourself why they are the way they are. What happened to him to make him become filled with so much hate? Why would she want to cause the suffering of others? "Because they're evil!" is a rather lame response. Something happened to make them act out this way.

[Nephilium T. Sundance]

I would automatically say a death knight is/was evil... would that still make them evil?


Like stated previously, there really is not a race that can be just good or just evil. Good and evil are everywhere.


Then again, it's all about perspective.  Are there evil tauren?

[Colleena]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

[Deance Gnolls]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

Death Knights aren't -exactly- seen as evil, more as unnatural and something to be abhorred, but once again that can go by a case to case basis.
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[Colleena]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

Death Knights aren't -exactly- seen as evil, more as unnatural and something to be abhorred, but once again that can go by a case to case basis.
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Well I'm mostly just saying that a Draenei DK could be evil based off the fact that others would probably shun 'em.

[Nyte]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

Death Knights aren't -exactly- seen as evil, more as unnatural and something to be abhorred, but once again that can go by a case to case basis.
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Well I'm mostly just saying that a Draenei DK could be evil based off the fact that others would probably shun 'em.

Just because you're shunned doesn't mean you have to be evil. Not every kid who got picked on and shunned in elementary school turned out to be a murderer. Sure, you might be pissed, but shit happens. Pray to the Light and be happy.

[Colleena]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

Death Knights aren't -exactly- seen as evil, more as unnatural and something to be abhorred, but once again that can go by a case to case basis.
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Well I'm mostly just saying that a Draenei DK could be evil based off the fact that others would probably shun 'em.

Just because you're shunned doesn't mean you have to be evil. Not every kid who got picked on and shunned in elementary school turned out to be a murderer. Sure, you might be pissed, but shit happens. Pray to the Light and be happy.

*Could*, not would, or have to be. I was just naming a reason they *could* use.

[Nyte]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

Death Knights aren't -exactly- seen as evil, more as unnatural and something to be abhorred, but once again that can go by a case to case basis.
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Well I'm mostly just saying that a Draenei DK could be evil based off the fact that others would probably shun 'em.

Just because you're shunned doesn't mean you have to be evil. Not every kid who got picked on and shunned in elementary school turned out to be a murderer. Sure, you might be pissed, but shit happens. Pray to the Light and be happy.

*Could*, not would, or have to be. I was just naming a reason they *could* use.

And I'm naming a reason your potential reason won't hold.

[Colleena]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

Death Knights aren't -exactly- seen as evil, more as unnatural and something to be abhorred, but once again that can go by a case to case basis.
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Well I'm mostly just saying that a Draenei DK could be evil based off the fact that others would probably shun 'em.

Just because you're shunned doesn't mean you have to be evil. Not every kid who got picked on and shunned in elementary school turned out to be a murderer. Sure, you might be pissed, but shit happens. Pray to the Light and be happy.

*Could*, not would, or have to be. I was just naming a reason they *could* use.

And I'm naming a reason your potential reason won't hold.

And yet, it depends on the character, and the player. There's no reason why it wouldn't hold if the player wants to play off their evilness that way. Because -some- people do go crazy, and can't take it. Psychologically, everyone is different, and so is their mental prowess. It's the case with real life as well, and I'm not even sure why you're debating this.

[Nyte]

I said no, but I do have one exception, which would be Death Knights. I could see the living Draenei being bitter toward a DK. Pretty much all Draenei worship the Naaru, even shaman. Evil is subjective, anyway.

Death Knights aren't -exactly- seen as evil, more as unnatural and something to be abhorred, but once again that can go by a case to case basis.
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Well I'm mostly just saying that a Draenei DK could be evil based off the fact that others would probably shun 'em.

Just because you're shunned doesn't mean you have to be evil. Not every kid who got picked on and shunned in elementary school turned out to be a murderer. Sure, you might be pissed, but shit happens. Pray to the Light and be happy.

*Could*, not would, or have to be. I was just naming a reason they *could* use.

And I'm naming a reason your potential reason won't hold.

And yet, it depends on the character, and the player. There's no reason why it wouldn't hold if the player wants to play off their evilness that way. Because -some- people do go crazy, and can't take it. Psychologically, everyone is different, and so is their mental prowess. It's the case with real life as well, and I'm not even sure why you're debating this.

I'm not debating. I'm saying. There is no argument.

Edit: This came off more hostile than I intended. All I'm saying is I'm talking about a specific case, not human psychology in general. I'm a business major, not a psyche :p.

[Toie]

I think it's safe to say that MOST Draenei are light huggers trying to do good. It would be pretty interesting to see that fervor to Do Good and love for the light twisted into something Bad or "evil." It's all perspective, after all.

Many of the real world's leaders have the righteous ideology that they are doing right for their people. To others it's evil and terrible, oppressive and wrong. Entire governments have been overthrown because some people disagreed with the establishment. Which side is evil? Not everything is so cut and dry and crystal clear. I'm not wanting to debate politics, I'm just bringing up a different perspective for RP.

I think it is entirely plausible for a draenei to be evil. But I think it is more interesting and realistic to have your draenei believe with all their heart they are doing good but everyone else views it as wrong and bad and evil.

[Colleena]

I think it's safe to say that MOST Draenei are light huggers trying to do good. It would be pretty interesting to see that fervor to Do Good and love for the light twisted into something Bad or "evil." It's all perspective, after all.

Many of the real world's leaders have the righteous ideology that they are doing right for their people. To others it's evil and terrible, oppressive and wrong. Entire governments have been overthrown because some people disagreed with the establishment. Which side is evil? Not everything is so cut and dry and crystal clear. I'm not wanting to debate politics, I'm just bringing up a different perspective for RP.

I think it is entirely plausible for a draenei to be evil. But I think it is more interesting and realistic to have your draenei believe with all their heart they are doing good but everyone else views it as wrong and bad and evil.

This! I don't often see people use the 'opinionated' part of evil RP. Usually people just do what most people conceive as evil and go 'MWAHAHAHA I'M EVIIIIIIIL'.

[Colleena]

Also, it's soooo tempting to bring back my DK draenei who had MPD because she couldn't take being undead when she was once a paladin. My husband is a psychology major, so it's easy to go 'HEY how u do dis disorder pz?'.

[Rielan]

I'm the other No voter, and here's why:

Evil is a mind set. In order to truly be evil, you would have to sacrifice everything you once valued for the sake of something else. When Arthas went batshit DK evil and shit, the powers of the light forsook him and all that bullshit, but throughout the campaign, it was easy to see his deterioration from Paladin to jackass extraordinaire. He became evil, and thought of himself as such.

Draenei will never have the ability to become warlocks, unless Blizzard loses their minds, because they would be consorting with demons. I feel that the only way a spacegoat would qualify as evil would be for them to consort with demons, because, let's look at Draenor... oh wait, that's right.

Draenei DK is one of those race/class combinations that make as much sense as Gnome DKs. Yeah, people do them. Yeah, people RP as them, but how many of them are taken seriously in relation to how many of them are out there?

[Colleena]

I'm the other No voter, and here's why:

Evil is a mind set. In order to truly be evil, you would have to sacrifice everything you once valued for the sake of something else. When Arthas went batshit DK evil and shit, the powers of the light forsook him and all that bullshit, but throughout the campaign, it was easy to see his deterioration from Paladin to jackass extraordinaire. He became evil, and thought of himself as such.

Draenei will never have the ability to become warlocks, unless Blizzard loses their minds, because they would be consorting with demons. I feel that the only way a spacegoat would qualify as evil would be for them to consort with demons, because, let's look at Draenor... oh wait, that's right.

Draenei DK is one of those race/class combinations that make as much sense as Gnome DKs. Yeah, people do them. Yeah, people RP as them, but how many of them are taken seriously in relation to how many of them are out there?

Evil is subjective. Arthas didn't think what he was doing was evil, as we saw in Wotlk, some of the story was that he wanted to start the world over. It's a cliche plot used a lot by writers who want to make a bad guy, but not want him to think he's a bad guy. Warlocks are also subjective, as most of them took on the fel to fight fire with fire. Granted, they know the demons they enslave don't give two shits if they get released somehow, and know the inherent nature of the demons are evil.

Now the Legion... is also one of those 'I'm doing bad things for the good of the world'. Most of WoW's baddies are like that. All except for Sargeras' followers. Cept the Old Gods, really. But they're kind of bat shit anyway.

Which is why I said I could see a Draenei DK being 'evil' (though my one reason is based more or less of madness), but I can't see any other Draenei combo to really be evil.

[Wylair]

I'm the other No voter, and here's why:

Evil is a mind set. In order to truly be evil, you would have to sacrifice everything you once valued for the sake of something else. When Arthas went batshit DK evil and shit, the powers of the light forsook him and all that bullshit, but throughout the campaign, it was easy to see his deterioration from Paladin to jackass extraordinaire. He became evil, and thought of himself as such.

Draenei will never have the ability to become warlocks, unless Blizzard loses their minds, because they would be consorting with demons. I feel that the only way a spacegoat would qualify as evil would be for them to consort with demons, because, let's look at Draenor... oh wait, that's right.

Draenei DK is one of those race/class combinations that make as much sense as Gnome DKs. Yeah, people do them. Yeah, people RP as them, but how many of them are taken seriously in relation to how many of them are out there?

They are still possible, there's just not much wiggle room. Basically with mine only thing I could think of to explain was that she was delivering a message to New Avalon when Ebon Hold invaded, and then since my prior character she was based on had a strong sense of military duty she didn't off herself when freed because she knew she was more use to the Alliance as a DK than as a corpse.

[Situuka]

I think that the real question here should be,

"Should people who roll Draenei be allowed to play them as Eredar?"

Anything can be evil, to some extent. I will take Archbishop Benedictus as an example. But he also said it best. "There is no light, no dark, only power." How people vie for this power is where the definition of good and evil comes about.

~Situuka

[Rhooja]

"Should people who roll Draenei be allowed to play them as Eredar?"

Nope.

[Therm]

I'm the other No voter, and here's why:

Evil is a mind set.

No, it isn't.

Even fucking Mugabe doesn't sit up there going "mwehehehe im so evil" and he is REALLY evil.

So until you stop being 12 and what is this, shush.

That said, even the most evil people (unless they're supernaturally evil, like being a devil) have some good in them. It's a sliding bar, not a toggle. Kel'thuzad, for instance, still had his cat. And the bad guy in Schindler's List still had some positive qualities- no one is pure good or pure evil, even in the worst people.

[Honeko]

"Should people who roll Draenei be allowed to play them as Eredar?"

Nope.

Why not?  Technically all draenei are Eredar anyway.  Just the group of eredar that are the playable race happen to be the exiles, draenei.

Personally I think alignment restrictions on any race are stupid.  Everyone can become corrupted, everyone can be good.  Pretty much it's how you live your life and how circumstances will shape you.

[Wylair]

"Should people who roll Draenei be allowed to play them as Eredar?"

Nope.

Why not?  Technically all draenei are Eredar anyway.  Just the group of eredar that are the playable race happen to be the exiles, draenei.

Personally I think alignment restrictions on any race are stupid.  Everyone can become corrupted, everyone can be good.  Pretty much it's how you live your life and how circumstances will shape you.

Well not exactly... The Draenei and the Eredar more or less shared a common ancestor. However when the Eredar accepted the demonic power they were corrupted and strayed away from the original race in some manners, whereas over the years Draenei also strayed from the path in different manners, especially after coming into contact with the Naaru.

[Rielan]

I'm the other No voter, and here's why:

Evil is a mind set.

No, it isn't.

Even fucking Mugabe doesn't sit up there going "mwehehehe im so evil" and he is REALLY evil.

So until you stop being 12 and what is this, shush.

That said, even the most evil people (unless they're supernaturally evil, like being a devil) have some good in them. It's a sliding bar, not a toggle. Kel'thuzad, for instance, still had his cat. And the bad guy in Schindler's List still had some positive qualities- no one is pure good or pure evil, even in the worst people.

*Yawn* While Mugabe and Hitler thought they were being good, you can't tell me that, at some point, their conscience didn't tweak and go "UR KILLIN PEOPLE BRO!"

It's a matter of quelling that voice that truly makes someone evil.

Edit: For further clarity, I'm not saying people waking up and go "hur dur evil". I am saying people systematically justify everything they do. In that regards, it is very much a mindset. "I'm going to wake up this morning and kill this many Jews because they're a blight to humanity just for breathing" is a mindset, a belief, whatever you're going to call it. Racism is a mindset. Just because it's a mindset doesn't mean it's easily changeable.

[Florena Emberlin]

If you play an evil draenei, I think it's important to develop a good reason for their evil behavior. Having them be crazy chaotic evil would be harder to pull off as a draenei. I think the way to go about it would be the old phrase, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions.' Have them start with good intent that goes horribly wrong.

The only 'bad' draenei I can think of off hand in game that is a part of the Exodar group that is playable, is a hologram of a draenei who has Broken in the alliance Nagrand town beat up on a blood elf prisoner, stating that while the 'draenei' do not torture prisoners, the broken have no such scruple, taking advantage of an immoral loophole of sorts.

Then there's always those swayed by the shadow council, old gods etc.