Death Knights and you, yes you.

[Nyte]

Good read! I seem to have followed it pretty well when I made my RP background for Nyte, but as for Worgen, I have no idea how long it takes for the curse to set in. Minutes? Days? -shrug-.

[Garhuul]

Good read! I seem to have followed it pretty well when I made my RP background for Nyte, but as for Worgen, I have no idea how long it takes for the curse to set in. Minutes? Days? -shrug-.

If you go through the Worgen starting zone and pay attention your bite debuff, you go from "no big deal" to "jesus christ it's black and blue and there's fur growing around it" in just a handful of quests (Bite 1, Bite 2, Bite 3). That in addition to how quickly you enounter the "Afflicted Gilnean" mobs in Gilneas City leaves me inclined to believe that the worgen curse is extremely fast-acting (at least, the Bloodfang strand that Gilnean worgen are afflicted with).

[Deance Gnolls]

Good read! I seem to have followed it pretty well when I made my RP background for Nyte, but as for Worgen, I have no idea how long it takes for the curse to set in. Minutes? Days? -shrug-.

If you go through the Worgen starting zone and pay attention your bite debuff, you go from "no big deal" to "jesus christ it's black and blue and there's fur growing around it" in just a handful of quests (Bite 1, Bite 2, Bite 3). That in addition to how quickly you enounter the "Afflicted Gilnean" mobs in Gilneas City leaves me inclined to believe that the worgen curse is extremely fast-acting (at least, the Bloodfang strand that Gilnean worgen are afflicted with).

That's my take on it as well, in my opinion something as nasty as the Worgen curse would work incredibly quickly and spread through ones bloodstream at an alarming rate. And I do believe it would be safe to assume that while other strands might be a bit slower, or even a bit faster, they'd all be relatively fast acting, otherwise it'd of been easy for the Gilneans/unaffected villagers to seed out the infected at an earlier stage and drive them out much faster.

[Kirkal]

Thank you for the read! I've been trying to work on my Death Knight's personality, and this gives a lot of good ideas to work off of. I've heard a lot of debate about whether or not Death Knights can feel emotions proper, and I feel it would be too limiting if they couldn't feel at all. Also, are there some major tropes and cliches a Death Knight roleplay should try to avoid?

[Deance Gnolls]

Thank you for the read! I've been trying to work on my Death Knight's personality, and this gives a lot of good ideas to work off of. I've heard a lot of debate about whether or not Death Knights can feel emotions proper, and I feel it would be too limiting if they couldn't feel at all. Also, are there some major tropes and cliches a Death Knight roleplay should try to avoid?

The range of your death knights emotions is left completely up to you, when roleplaying a death knight you're not roleplaying a lich. You're a person that has dealt with the pain of undeath, the ravaging of your soul as it was implanted back into your corpse, and the forced submission of your mind, not to mention the memories of slaughtering hundreds of innocents. How your character would deal with it is up to you, in fact it defines your character. The number one cliche to avoid when playing a death knight, is the fact that you're undead shouldn't rule your life. It's something we see far too often in roleplay, where a character is so absorbed in their self loathing or pity that it's no longer fun to play with them, not to mention it doesn't add depths and instead just makes the character look like a sniveling child. People are resilient, and most will 'rebound' from their undeath, especially now that the lich king is dead and they're free to try to pick up the pieces of their life .

[Kirkal]

Oh over angsty characters. One of my very first rp characters was all "ANGST ANGST ANGST", and I thought he was so cool. Looking back now, I facepalm at young me and go "No, he's not cool, he's annoying." For Xentkaz, I'm running with the amnesia idea, and playing her as more awkward than angsty. She's done things she's not proud of, but doesn't really have enough connections to the world to truly understand the context of her actions. Afterall, Hordies regularly slay Alliance, and while killing and torturing innocents is a terrible thing, I'm not sure that all the Horde Death Knights would feel truly bad about it, especially after coming home and basically doing the same thing in the name of the Horde.

[Woodwylde]

I'm posting a link to my RP story here because its a DK story and a departure from the typical DK creation plot.

Just in case anyone is interested...

http://emeralddrama.com/index.php?topic=83.msg823#msg823

[Rielan]

Deance, I am going to flame you strictly because you put way too much effort into a class with a tank spec that I don't particularly enjoy. That being said....

Damn. Good job!

[Devona]

It's clear that you put a lot of effort into this, but a few nitpicks --

- Blood elves would easily be one of the least likely races to accept a death knight. After what the scourge did to Quel'thalas, the Sin'dorei have a bitter taste in their mouth. Interestingly they accepted the forsaken's aid, but that's mainly due to Sylvanas being their head-honcho and she's good in their book. While the Acherus death knights broke away in a (somewhat) similar fashion, they have no obvious reasons for allegiance to either side, leaving the elves with little reason to (immediately) trust them.

- Worgen death knights are a bit of a tossup, and something I'm not sure about. However, if you've done the new Silverpine Forest questline, you'll see that it's said that if you are either Scourge or worgen, you cannot become the other. That seems to rule out worgen becoming Scourge (death knights) and death knights becoming worgen. If you find a viable way around that, good luck.

If you play a death knight, please, please be careful. Being the guy who hates everyone is not cool and being the whiny angsty guy is not cool. Death knights do have feelings, but their need to kill comes first. Take heed.

[Rasek]

I would say any race can choose to accept or reject a death knight.  A lot of people play it was a "whatever" thing at this point, since it's been a few years since they broke away, but ya

EDIT:  Since Chiana brought this up in another thread -

I think it's fine for a DK to have emotions, just like it is for a Forsaken to have them.  While they are far less likely to be happy and cheerful and affectionate, it is still possible for them to have positive emotions, even if they come from revenge or whatever.

for example, Koltira's bro Thassarian takes the time and effort to find out where he is, and sends a peon to save him.  It is puzzling to the other DK in the room, but it happens anyway.  Later, when they meet each other in Andorhal, they are friendly and decide to just not kill each other, withdrawing their troops and having a giggle about it.

DKs are likely to have bizarre emotions that yes, are tainted by being minions of death, but it is still very possible.

[Deance Gnolls]

Dks, as a whole are able to feel emotions for the most part, but you have to take in to account that you were once a living breathing person, that not only had your will broken, but your mind as well. Adding on the senseless slaughter and pain you inflicted, I'd wager my bottom gold that not a single Death Knight came out of that unscathed emotionally. Most dks are bound to be either shut off from the more powerful emotions, or simply numb to them.

tl;dr: Yes, dks can feel, but you're not going to be good at it, and for a majority you're probably not going to want to feel.

Ps. Dks in romances are :|

[Rasek]

Dks, as a whole are able to feel emotions for the most part, but you have to take in to account that you were once a living breathing person, that not only had your will broken, but your mind as well. Adding on the senseless slaughter and pain you inflicted, I'd wager my bottom gold that not a single Death Knight came out of that unscathed emotionally. Most dks are bound to be either shut off from the more powerful emotions, or simply numb to them.

tl;dr: Yes, dks can feel, but you're not going to be good at it, and for a majority you're probably not going to want to feel.

Ps. Dks in romances are :|

Oh yes, I agree with that.  I don't imagine any of them are chipper, stable individuals, but I also don't think they should be forced into the "only quiet hatred for you" box no exceptions.  There are people who deal with pain and suffering by forcing happiness, and while I expect those numbers to be small, I think it could potentially happen.

[Deance Gnolls]

Dks, as a whole are able to feel emotions for the most part, but you have to take in to account that you were once a living breathing person, that not only had your will broken, but your mind as well. Adding on the senseless slaughter and pain you inflicted, I'd wager my bottom gold that not a single Death Knight came out of that unscathed emotionally. Most dks are bound to be either shut off from the more powerful emotions, or simply numb to them.

tl;dr: Yes, dks can feel, but you're not going to be good at it, and for a majority you're probably not going to want to feel.

Ps. Dks in romances are :|

Oh yes, I agree with that.  I don't imagine any of them are chipper, stable individuals, but I also don't think they should be forced into the "only quiet hatred for you" box no exceptions.  There are people who deal with pain and suffering by forcing happiness, and while I expect those numbers to be small, I think it could potentially happen.

Potentially, but I've yet to see someone that can pull it off in RP convincingly without sounding like a LOLMARYSUE. How a persons dk deals with the experience is what defines their characters personality, and the more common reaction to extremely traumatizing events isn't sunshine or happiness.

[Rasek]

Potentially, but I've yet to see someone that can pull it off in RP convincingly without sounding like a LOLMARYSUE. How a persons dk deals with the experience is what defines their characters personality, and the more common reaction to extremely traumatizing events isn't sunshine or happiness.

I've seen a few who adamantly insist they're crusaders who do good things, etc., which is a fine response for someone who feels guilt over past activities.  I really don't RP with too many DKs, since SO MANY OF THEM APPEAR TO BE ELVES, so this could be a much bigger problem than I've seen, and I wouldn't know~

[Nyralia]

I would say any race can choose to accept or reject a death knight.  A lot of people play it was a "whatever" thing at this point, since it's been a few years since they broke away, but ya

I actually got into issues with this tonight in RP. Elruna doesn't care for anyone undead since you know... you're a damn abomination. She'll try and give you a chance but man... you're dead and creepy. I was almost forced to leave the bar and I was only asking questions. >.> DK hate isn't normal, at least Alli side.

[Rasek]

I would say any race can choose to accept or reject a death knight.  A lot of people play it was a "whatever" thing at this point, since it's been a few years since they broke away, but ya

I actually got into issues with this tonight in RP. Elruna doesn't care for anyone undead since you know... you're a damn abomination. She'll try and give you a chance but man... you're dead and creepy. I was almost forced to leave the bar and I was only asking questions. >.> DK hate isn't normal, at least Alli side.

That's silly.  While things DID happen a few years ago, I think it would be normal, especially on the Alliance where undead allies are a new thing, for a person to feel uncomfortable.  Druids and night elves especially, who are so keen on the Emerald Dream and such.  Loads of paladins, too.

[Toie]

This thread really makes me want to actually give my goofy DK a real story. Even if I never RP just having a little story to play with all on my own would be fun. I made her as a joke and she has a ridiculous non-RP name but I can totally make it work anyway.

[Nyralia]

I would say any race can choose to accept or reject a death knight.  A lot of people play it was a "whatever" thing at this point, since it's been a few years since they broke away, but ya

I actually got into issues with this tonight in RP. Elruna doesn't care for anyone undead since you know... you're a damn abomination. She'll try and give you a chance but man... you're dead and creepy. I was almost forced to leave the bar and I was only asking questions. >.> DK hate isn't normal, at least Alli side.

That's silly.  While things DID happen a few years ago, I think it would be normal, especially on the Alliance where undead allies are a new thing, for a person to feel uncomfortable.  Druids and night elves especially, who are so keen on the Emerald Dream and such.  Loads of paladins, too.

Yea Elruna is very staunch Kaldorei when it comes to things like that and feels live is... sorta sacred. Indiscriminate deaths and those risen are not okay in her book. While we on the alliance don't have forsaken, should make the hallow dead unfeeling death knights all the more appalling since the alliance is a human dominated faction--with the events shaped by their people and lost lands to the scourge. So when I come around, giving someone the evil eye for walking around like they are some happy feeling death knight claiming to be wholly human asking for forgiveness, just isn't going to happen. You're dead. Stop trying to be what you've lost. And sure you being risen was out of your control but hell you still slaughtered people and are something against nature itself and fully unholy in existance.

They didn't seem to get that.

[Rasek]

I dig that, Nyralia.  I am happy you put so much thought into your character

[Nyralia]

It's what I do. I RP like 80% of the time since I can't find steady people to PvP with. I cant do wPvP and 25m raids cuz the laptop is dying... Do what ya gotta do. Plus being creative is the shit.

[Deance Gnolls]

With new information coming in from MOP, it has indeed been confirmed that Pandaren will not be able to be Death Knights, so the addition of info I wasn't too keen on adding is no longer necessary.

[Rasek]

Praise the sun.